E-Cat QX Presentation Thread #2 — Slides of Test Protocol Posted

Here are the slides that Mats Lewan used in the first segement of the E-Cat QX demonstration of November 24, 2017 in which he gave an introduction to the E-Cat QX and explained how the presentation was to proceed.

Note that these slides do not include the test results, these should be included in video presentation that is supposed to come out later today.

E-cat QX demo nov2017 copy

http://ecatworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/E-cat-QX-demo-nov2017-copy.pdf

  • artefact
  • Should it be here? http://e-catworld.com/demo/

  • psi2u2

    Any comments on Mats’ slides?

  • Alan Smith posted this on LENR Forum:

    To begin at the beginning. The Q-X is not in the white box, but in between the two toggle clamps. I only have time for a little as I am dining with some of the attendees tonight.

    But to answer some other questions that seem to be pressing.

    1. This demo could never be completely convincing because there were no truly independent checks. That said, it was certainly (for me and others) an intriguing look at something really new.
    2. There were at least 3 groups of investors there. 3 of long standing and one new one. The new one was kinda helping out. There may have been others
    3. Lugano authors were there. Hoistad, Essen, Petterson, Levi. All in very good spirits.
    4. The audience was approximately 2/3 scandinavian, i/3 rest of the workd.
    5. Rossi descibed this work as being in an R&D phase. Not ready for mass production yet. But he does intend — with the right partner – who may well be Swedish from his comments
    6. I have around 10 minutes of video, but impossible to download here. It will be early next week.
    7. i will have more interesting news tomorrow afternoon, as I am going on a visit to another nearby laboratory.
    6. bye for now- the social stuff is very important – and I have exosted on miniature food all day!.

    • Ged

      Very interesting. Thank you for posting his observations, LENRG

    • Does this mean there is NO STREAMING VIDEO today? OR just your own personal video postponed?

      • artefact

        Alan Smith will post his 10 min video not today. The same with the rest of his reporting.
        That has nothing to do with the recording of the test which will be placed on ecat.com

      • Ged

        Alan is an independent observer of all this, so it is his personal video and materials that he will post.

  • gregha

    Not clear where the demo is/was…Miami or Sweden?

    • Roul Sebastian John

      I also was kind of confused by this. The actual presentation took place this morning in Stockholm, Sweden. Now (hopefully) somebody is editing the video and will stream it from the U.S. website ecat.com. The presentation was two hours longer than expected, so maybe the video will also be ready that much later. But I wonder why there is no clue about this on the website.

  • Today, FRIDAY #AndreaRossi ‘s demonstration of new #LENR reactor #ECAT QX was a success! The Coefficient of Performance (Power out/Power in) “COP” was 300! Video Stream delayed so far 40 minutes – http://e-catworld.com/demo/

  • Frank Acland

    I have heard that there were tests done using both a 0 Ohm resistor, and 800 ohm resistor as controls (to compare to the voltage over the QX)

    • Dr. Mike

      We’ll have to see the demo to understand what Mats’ #5 slide means. His other slides clearly show two measurements of output power. It’s too bad his slide on input power was not as clear.

  • maryyugo posted this on LENR Forum (just for a taste of where skeptics minds are at currently):

    Let’s see, we are expected to believe that a device containing a plasma, based on a nuclear reaction, is being demonstrated in a hall filled with people without the slightest safety equipment, shields, barriers, or radiation monitoring? Seriously? Maybe this is why this did not take place in the US! It would have been very illegal.

    I am very amused by the oscilloscope and laptop shown– it is highly reminiscent of Steorn’s Waterways “Scoposcopy” demo… people milling about, nothing actually happening, no clarity. no credibility, just the usual DPS. There is an overweight gentleman in a suit sitting nearby the device whose presence reminds me of Steorn’s tachoman. I didn’t see Vasella but if she’s there, she’d be analogous to Steorn’s Booth Babe or O-Girl. Wow.

    The real fascination here is trying to understand why any of the people attending bothered and why anyone still believes Rossi about anything. As for the device, it looks like the usual collection of meaningless junk that Rossi put together from cheap scrap. He must have an oversize junk drawer in his “factory.”

  • pelgrim108

    Very interesting, thanks.

  • Roul Sebastian John

    BTW, where did Rossi actually announce that the video will be streamed from ecat.com? On this website itself, I cannot find any clue on the presentation, although it should be right on top of the “News”, isn’t it?

  • Gerard McEk

    Regarding Lewan’s slides above, the last slide: Before the test the current trough the 1 ohm resistor was measured with a short circuited QX and a 800 ohm resistor instead of the QX, as far as I understand. By doing this you can determine the internal resistor of the controller, which is important to determine the resistance of the QX. Knowing the resistance of the QX and the current, the input power can be determined.

    • Gerard McEk

      BTW: some of you may ask why not simply the voltage over the QX was measured. The reason I can think of is that there seems to be a high voltage starting pulse every 7-8 seconds. This could destroy the volt meter, which must normally be set to a very low voltage to measure the voltage over QX, which is apparently very low after the plasma in the QX has started.

      • Dr. Mike

        If there really is a high voltage pulse (or series of pulses) delivered every 7-8 seconds, how much energy is delivered to the 3 QX devices in these pulses? This energy would have to be included in the total input energy to the device to calculate a device COP.

        • Gerard McEk

          I agree Dr. Mike, however I think this may be small due to the very short pulse time. I hope they took the opportunity to check that on the scope.I had preferred that they measured the power taken by the controller, but Andrea categorically refused that. (Probably the controller takes much more power than the output power of 20W).

          • Dr. Mike

            I believe you are correct that the current controller power is probably close to the output power, which means the current system COP is about 1.0. I’ll have to see the demo to determine if the input power to the device was measured accurately (that is, including energy from supplied pulses as might be determined with oscilloscope measurements). Unfortunately, I won’t have any free time to see the demo until tomorrow now that it has been delayed.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      If nothing changed when the QX was bypassed it would seem plausible that its impedance was negligible. I think the 800 ohm resistor was merely used to demonstrate the characteristics of the power supply.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi November 24, 2017 at 12:22 PM
    Xavier Pitz:

    I have finished now to talk with the attendants in the aftermath of the
    event. The QX worked well as usual, even if I reduced the power down to
    the 30% od its possibiliteis, to have zero risk.

    The demo is online, you can find it on Ecat.com, Ecatworld, Youtube and
    others. The integral text of the theoretical presentation of Carl Oscar
    Gullstrom will be published the next week on the Journal Of Nuclear
    Physics.

    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • artefact

      I did not find it yet on ecat.com. But I guess soon.

    • Michael W Wolf

      youtube? where? I can’t find anything, anywhere.

    • Xavier Pitz

      F5 F5 F5 (refresh refresh refresh)
      I’m not able to find anything [YET] on those websites except the relatively poor pre-demo 7 minutes+ video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_kgPIpgvmA .
      I think I’ll go to bed now and check back tomorrow morning…

  • Roul Sebastian John

    I’m a little confused: The site http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/andrea-rossi-e-cat-qx-demo-in-stockholm-cop-550/ speaks about a “demo at the Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Sciences (IVA) in Stockholm” today showing a COP of about 550, while AFAIK the demo this morning took place at some general conference site (no Science Academy) and was reported to show a COP of about 300. So have there been two presentations in Stockholm today?

    • Andy Beale

      Here is where I think the confusion lies. From http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/andrea-rossi-e-cat-qx-demo-in-stockholm-cop-550/

      “According to measurements made by Mr Hurley a COP of 244 was achieved
      with power applied 3/7 (3sec ON, 4sec OFF) of the time resulting in a
      COP ~550.”

      I believe the COP of 244 was applied to the entire elapsed time. If we take 244/(3/7) = 569.33. So the COP calculated for the 3/7ths of the time it was being supplied with energy, it could be approximated to ~550. I could be totally wrong, but it’s the most sense I can make out of that statement.

      • psi2u2

        Thanks for that. I was thinking the discrepancy was explained by something like that.

    • Gian Luca

      …..me too….little confused. Rossi speak about on line presentation but I dont find it.

  • Gerard McEk

    Frank, editing text doesn’t work.

    • artefact

      Works for me.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks Gerard, I’ll see if I can do something about that.

      • psi2u2

        Also – an observation, not a complaint – the discus comments don’t seem to update correctly in the sidebar or in the totals posted on post on the homepage – this one still shows zero comments and the previous post #1 is stuck at 207. Just FYI, Frank.

        • Frank Acland

          Yes, I am aware, it is to do with page caching which I have turned on.

    • Frank Acland

      Are you logged into Disqus, Gerard?

  • sam

    Would have been better not to promise a time.

  • pelgrim108

    Andrea Rossi November 24, 2017 at 12:22 PM

    Xavier Pitz:

    I have finished now to talk with the attendants in the aftermath of the
    event. The QX worked well as usual, even if I reduced the power down to
    the 30% od its possibiliteis, to have zero risk.

    The demo is online, you can find it on Ecat.com, Ecatworld, Youtube and
    others. The integral text of the theoretical presentation of Carl Oscar
    Gullstrom will be published the next week on the Journal Of Nuclear
    Physics.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • artefact

      See my post 1 hour ago 🙂

  • MasterBlaster7

    Well…its 2:30 eastern time…and I haven’t found any demo

  • artefact

    It will be available also at a later time.
    (Rossi said it will also be on youtube. Even if it is a stream on youtube, you can watch it later again)

  • Anon2012_2014

    I am more hopeful that Mr. Rossi has a working LENR device than I was before. I need to put the pencil to paper with this test’s data to become more convinced. However (alas), I must do other work today and tomorrow; and there is a huge amount of videos to watch and integrate into an analysis.

    Request … can someone write a logical and concise outline of the videos of the test showing what data was obtained and hopefully an analysis, including the strengths and weaknesses of the test, that indicates the range of possible interpretations of the power and energy input and outputs of the device. Thank you.

    • TeddyBear

      Why would anyone do this for you. Do it yourself

      • psi2u2

        Why shouldn’t Anon20912-2014 ask for help?

        If you don’t want to help, don’t help. Let others exchange and collaborate as they like.

        • Anon2012_2014

          Thanks Psi. I hope to do some of the in-thread analysis on Sunday.

          • psi2u2

            I am unfortunately not well prepared to assist you more directly, but I’m sure the ecwreporter will be providing at least some of what you need.

    • artefact

      I expect a report from ecwreporter that should clarify many things.

      • Anon2012_2014

        Frank’s not really the technical guy (although he does a great job with ECW). It’s someone with a some thermodynamics that can interpret the data and point us to videos so we can double check that work.

        • artefact

          Frank was not there. It was someone else whis not known.

  • Stephen

    Great to see this demonstration finally happen. I’ve been looking forward to it for months.

    Just a few questions:

    1. Were all three E-Cat QX’s inside that single water cooled device or were there 3 separate devices?
    2. Does any one know the actual thermal power out put?
    3. What were the dimensions of the device that contained the ECat QX’s

    I suppose all will become clear as the data and videos come out.

    If all three were in one device I wonder if this is indicative of their packing density even in larger systems.

    Some speculation has been made else where of chemical explanations or even batteries

    4. Could this volume hold sufficient material for a steady output over 1 hour from a chemical source?

    5. I think it extreemly unlikely batteries were used as has been suggested by some elsewhere… but out of curiosity how many AA or AAA bateries would be required to supply the output power for one hour as seen in the test? And could that many cells fit into that small device?

    A typical AA battery has 1.5V and a capacity up to about 2800 mAh.
    A typical AAA battery has 1.5 V and a capacity upto about 750 mAH.

    9v batteries are typically made of 6 cells equivalent to the AAA batteries. So I suppose have a similar capacity.

    It’s not as simple as just looking at the capacity as these batteries also have a typical maximum draw current that depends on the chemistry. About 150mA for a typically 9V battery but can be upto 500mA with certain chemistries

    A heat source would also require sufficient voltage to operate for example to heat a halogen bulb. I’m no expert but I suppose 12V for a 20W bulb?

    So even for 20 W for 1 hour we would need multiple 9v batteries at least 4 or 5 I think if very good chemistry types were used. Maybe 14 if normal PP3 types are used?

    Would this really fit in such a small device as some have said? I’m far from expert on this But it seems simple logic to me. But maybe I missed something.

    I’m still thinking more about point 1… Wow if that’s the case.

    • psi2u2

      I am pretty sure that all three were housed in one reactor.

  • Miles

    So what happens now??? When can I buy my home cat, ecat, Quark-X, LENR nuclear device? How many more years are we waiting for?

    Back to my first question; what happens now?

  • psi2u2

    Interpretation?

  • Eyedoc

    So is the video up anywhere yet ?

  • georgehants

    On the home page this morning I get nothing but VioMag anybody know what that means?
    http://ecatworld.org/

    • Mike Rion

      I was confused too. Go over to the menu on the right and click on subjects.

      • Frank Acland

        Sorry an inadvertent error on my part.